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Objavljeno 31 avgust 2020 - 20:16

Sežiganje knjig je samo po sebi ultimativni barbarizem in Koran kot za verujoče beseda Božja, onečaščen na tak način, mi več pove o tistem, ki sežiga kot o tistem, ki ga to razjari. Sežigalce postavlja ob bok barbarizmu nacistov in fašistov, ki so nad Slovenci vršili kulturni genocid obenem s fizičnim, če omenim samo naš primer. Če želiš zradirati eno entiteto, ji boš najprej oskrunil njeno pisano besedo, jezik kot sol naroda, vere ali katerekoli skupnosti. In zakaj je potrebno proti islamu protestirati s provokacijami namesto z argumenti? Sicer pa, kdor je zažgal Koran, naj bo fer in zažge še Biblijo in zaradi mene tudi Toro in Talmud. Ker so namreč isto sranje, drugo pakovanje.

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Objavljeno 31 avgust 2020 - 21:25

> Napisala si, da je Koran sranje.

> 300 ljudi zažiga avtomobile po Malmöju in po tvojem je glavni krivec model, ki je zažgal nekaj papirjev.

> Enačiš nacistične požige vseh izvodov neke knjige v Tretjem rajhu s požigom ene kopije.

 

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Objavljeno 31 avgust 2020 - 22:05

Spet jemlješ iz konteksta. Ampak saj drugega ne znaš. Kdor zmore, naj razume. Tebi ni pomoči.
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Zažiganje (lastnega) Korana je akt protesta in bi kot tak moral biti popolnoma legalen in v družbi dopuščen.

 

Nekaj podobnih stvari:

- objava karikature Mohameda s strani Charlie Hebdo, 

- podgana v naročju Brezjanske Marije,

- nošenje majic s prečrtanim križem,

- dojenje psov (Maje Smrekar),

- razrez slovenske zastave za namen umetniškega dela,

- vlečenje mrtvega prašiča po ljubljanskih ulicah,

- predvajanje zvokov živali iz klavnic v trgovini,

- klečanje igralcev pred začetkom tekem.

 

Namen sežiganja Korana in ostalih akcij je užaliti in razburiti. Osebni sicer dvomim o učinkovitosti naštetih dejanj, saj se ljudje, ko se počutimo napadene, postavimo v obrambno pozicijo in se le še bolj zabetoniramo v svojo začetno pozicijo. A vseeno, na dolgi rok so tudi takšne provokacije najbrž potrebne. Preizkušajo meje, sprožajo debate, predvsem pa poskrbijo, da v družbi nimamo svetih krav. Nihče nima pravice ne-biti užaljen.

 

Čeprav rad pljuvam po ZDA, je treba tudi hudiču dati prav, ko ima prav. Lep primer iz njihove sodne prakse:

 

After Cleveland police officers arrested Gregory L. Johnson in 2016 as he burned an American flag outside the Republican National Convention, Mr. Johnson sued the city, saying the officers had violated his First Amendment rights.

 

The Supreme Court had ruled decades before that flag burning was a protected form of speech. The case was Texas v. Johnson, and the defendant was the same Gregory L. Johnson. He had doused a flag with kerosene in 1984 during the Republican convention in Dallas.
 
This week, three decades after the court invalidated prohibitions on flag desecration in 48 states, the city of Cleveland agreed to pay Mr. Johnson $225,000 to settle his claim that officers had retaliated against him for an exercise of free expression.
 

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Objavljeno 07 september 2020 - 19:57


Only a few prefer liberty; the majority seek nothing more than fair masters.


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Objavljeno 07 september 2020 - 20:07

> podpira končanje vojne v Afganistanu

> podpira izhod US Army iz Afganistana, kar je skregano s prvo postavko

> podpira Bidena za predsednika ZDA

> Biden podpira povečanje prisotnosti US Army v Afganistanu, Trump proti

 

Kratek opis levičarske mentalitete.


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Objavljeno 07 september 2020 - 20:29

Zanimivo je tudi videti podporo Talibanom na LGBT forumu.

 

https://en.wikipedia...atment_of_women

 

https://en.wikipedia...ession_of_women

 

Brutal repression of women was widespread under the Taliban and faced significant international condemnation. Abuses were myriad and violently enforced by the religious police. For example, the Taliban issued edicts forbidding women from being educated, forcing girls to leave schools and colleges. Women leaving their houses were required to be accompanied by a male relative and were obligated to wear the burqa, a traditional dress covering the entire body except for a small slit to see out of. Those accused of disobeying were publicly beaten. In one instance, a young woman named Sohaila was charged with adultery after walking with a man who was not a relative; she was publicly flogged in Ghazi Stadium, receiving 100 lashes. Female employment was restricted to the medical sector, where male medical personnel were prohibited from treating women and girls. This extensive ban on the employment of women further resulted in the widespread closure of primary schools, as almost all teachers prior to the Taliban's rise had been women, further restricting access to education not only to girls but also to boys. Restrictions became especially severe after the Taliban took control of the capital. In February 1998, for instance, religious police forced all women off the streets of Kabul and issued new regulations ordering people to blacken their windows so that women would not be visible from outside.

 

 



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Objavljeno 08 september 2020 - 23:10

> podpira končanje vojne v Afganistanu
 
Jap, kot večina veteranov.
 
 
Enkrat za spremembo potlači svojo aroganco in prisluhni tistim, ki so omenjeno vojno izkusili. Pričanj imaš na YT ogromno.
 
> podpira izhod US Army iz Afganistana, kar je skregano s prvo postavko
 
Očitno nisi pogledal prejšnjega videa. Upam, da boš vsaj zgornjega.
 
> podpira Bidena za predsednika ZDA
 
Osebno ne poznam niti enega levičarja, ki podpira Bidna. Biden je po evropski standardih čisti desničar: kot navajaš, je podpornik ameriškega vojaškega kompleksa in še ni srečal vojne, ki mu ni bila všeč, je proti Medicare for all in Green New Deal, ne podpira niti izbrisa študentskih dolgov, velikokrat je bil posnet, ko se je zavzemal za krčenje socialne države ter je avtor večih represivnih kazenskih zakonov, zlizan je z Wall Streetom, kateremu že v naprej obljublja, da se pod njim ne bo nič spremenilo (torej nobene večje progresivnosti obdavčitve).
 
Če Biden ne bi bil v Demokratski stranki, bi bil prav ti, sadhu, njegov goreč podpornik.
 
> Biden podpira povečanje prisotnosti US Army v Afganistanu, Trump proti
 
Besede, besede, besede. Dejanja pa:
 
July 6, 2016: Saying the security situation in Afghanistan “remains precarious,” Obama announces that instead of dropping the U.S. troop level to 5,500, he will keep it at about 8,400 through the end of his term on Jan. 20, 2017. He said his successor can determine the next move.
 
Aug. 21, 2017: Trump warns against a “hasty withdrawal” from Afghanistan, saying that “conditions on the ground, not arbitrary timetables, will guide our strategy from now on.” Weeks later it is confirmed that additional troops will be deployed, eventually bringing the number to about 14,000.
 
Sept. 2, 2019: The U.S. envoy negotiating with the Taliban, Zalmay Khalilzad, announces that under a deal reached “in principle” with the insurgent group the first 5,000 U.S. troops would withdraw within 135 days of the agreement becoming final.
 
Sept. 7, 2019: Trump says secret meetings between him and Taliban leaders and with the Afghan president at Camp David are now cancelled, citing the death of a U.S. service member in a Taliban attack in Kabul two days earlier.
 

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Objavljeno 09 september 2020 - 06:23

Edini levičar po evropskih merilih med vidnejšimi ameriškimi politiki je Sanders. Vse ostalo so bolj kot ne republikanci in v demokrate preoblečeni republikanci. Tam imajo partijsko dvoumje, lahko celo izbiraš med večjim in manjšim zlom. Levica v ZDA ima bistveno drugačen konotat kot pri nas. Da ne rečem izrojen.
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Očitno nisi pogledal prejšnjega videa. Upam, da boš vsaj zgornjega.

 

Sem pogledal in ne glede na vse je dokaj jasno, da izhod koalicije iz Afganistana pomeni nadaljevanje tamkajšnje vojne in en kup naslednjih zadev:

 

- posiljevanje otrok

- pobijanje žensk obtoženih bogoskrunstva

- nižje cene južnoameriškega kokaina

- večjo moč teokracije

 

Zelo zanimivo, da zavestno podpiraš vse te postavke. Tvojo trditev, da si ateist, vzamem za šalo.

 

Bacha bāzī (Persian: بچه بازی , lit. "boy play";[1] from بچه bacheh, "boy", and بازی bazi "play, game") is a slang term in some parts of Afghanistan for a custom involving child sexual abuse between older men and young adolescent males or boys, who are called dancing boys. The custom is connected to sexual slavery and child prostitution.[2] In the 21st century, Bacha bazi is reportedly practiced in various parts of Afghanistan.[3][4][5][6][7] Force and coercion are common, and security officials state they are unable to end such practices because many of the men involved in bacha bazi-related activities are powerful and well-armed warlords.[8][9][10]
 
During the Afghan Civil War (1996–2001), bacha bazi carried the death penalty under Taliban law.[11] The practice of dancing boys is illegal under Afghan law, but the laws are seldom enforced against powerful offenders and police have reportedly been complicit in related crimes.[12][13]
 
A controversy arose after allegations surfaced that U.S. government forces in Afghanistan after the invasion of the country deliberately ignored bacha bazi.[14] The U.S. military responded by claiming the abuse was largely the responsibility of the "local Afghan government".[15]
 
As of 2020, despite international concern, the practice continues.[16][17]

 

 
Besede, besede, besede. Dejanja pa:
 
July 6, 2016: Saying the security situation in Afghanistan “remains precarious,” Obama announces that instead of dropping the U.S. troop level to 5,500, he will keep it at about 8,400 through the end of his term on Jan. 20, 2017. He said his successor can determine the next move.
 
Aug. 21, 2017: Trump warns against a “hasty withdrawal” from Afghanistan, saying that “conditions on the ground, not arbitrary timetables, will guide our strategy from now on.” Weeks later it is confirmed that additional troops will be deployed, eventually bringing the number to about 14,000.
 
Sept. 2, 2019: The U.S. envoy negotiating with the Taliban, Zalmay Khalilzad, announces that under a deal reached “in principle” with the insurgent group the first 5,000 U.S. troops would withdraw within 135 days of the agreement becoming final.
 
Sept. 7, 2019: Trump says secret meetings between him and Taliban leaders and with the Afghan president at Camp David are now cancelled, citing the death of a U.S. service member in a Taliban attack in Kabul two days earlier.
 
Poln si presenečenj. Ne samo, da sta ti geografija in zgodovina tuja pojma, ampak ko želiš najti novice o neki temi, najdeš zgodovino o tej temi namesto novic. Sicer pa mi je vseeno. Tisti dan, ko bo koalicija svojo prisotnost v Afganistanu povečala na 200.000 vojakov, odpiram šampanjec in six-pack kraft piv. Takšne smeti, kot so talibani, niso za nikamor.
 
Some U.S. troops withdrew from Afghanistan on March 9, 2020 as required in the U.S.-Taliban peace agreement.[215][216] On March 10, 2020 U.S. Central Command rejected reports that the U.S. military had developed a plan to withdraw all U.S. troops from Afghanistan. But CENTCOM chief Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr. also stated that the plan is to reduce the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan to 8,600 in a 14-month period.[217] However, the U.S. Army later confirmed that more troops will be sent to Afghanistan in the summer of 2020.[218]
 
According to CENTCOM, by June 18, the U.S. had reduced its Afghan troop numbers to 8,600 in accordance with the February 2020 Taliban peace deal.[219] However, on July 1, following media reports of Taliban participation in an alleged Russian bounty program to target U.S. troops, the U.S. House Armed Services Committee voted for a National Defense Authorization Act amendment to set additional conditions to be met before President Trump could continue the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, including requiring an assessment on whether any country has offered incentives for the Taliban to attack U.S. and coalition troops along with prohibiting funding to reduce troop numbers to below 8,000 and again at 4,000 unless the administration certifies that doing so would not compromise American interests in Afghanistan.[220][221]
 
On July 1, 2020, the United States Senate rejected an attempt by Rand Paul's amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, which would have required the withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Afghanistan within a year and brought an end to the 19-year war.[222] On August 8, 2020, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said that the United States would reduce troop levels to below 5,000 by the end of November 2020.
 
Tole so afganistanski vojaki, ki se borijo proti ljudem, ki želijo posiliti njihove otroke in pobiti njihove žene.
 
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Edini levičar po evropskih merilih med vidnejšimi ameriškimi politiki je Sanders. Vse ostalo so bolj kot ne republikanci in v demokrate preoblečeni republikanci. Tam imajo partijsko dvoumje, lahko celo izbiraš med večjim in manjšim zlom. Levica v ZDA ima bistveno drugačen konotat kot pri nas. Da ne rečem izrojen.

 

Sanders ni socialni demokrat, ampak demokratični socialist. Prvo je evropska levica, drugo pa mentalna bolezen.


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Objavljeno 10 september 2020 - 19:30

Sem pogledal in ne glede na vse je dokaj jasno, da izhod koalicije iz Afganistana pomeni nadaljevanje tamkajšnje vojne in en kup naslednjih zadev...

 

For years, the U.S. military has released basic information about how much of Afghanistan is under Afghan government control and how much is under control of the Taliban. And it's shown that the amount of land under government control has dropped over time, from 72% of districts in Nov. 2015 to 54% of districts in Oct. 2018.

 

Dlje kot so Američani v Afganistanu, bolj raste podpora talibanom, ker jih prebivalstvo smatra za okupatorje, zato velja ravno obratno: posiljevanje otrok, pobijanje žensk obtoženih bogoskrunstva, nižje cene južnoameriškega kokaina in moč teokracije se bodo še stopnjevali, dokler bo koalicija v Afganistanu.


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For years, the U.S. military has released basic information about how much of Afghanistan is under Afghan government control and how much is under control of the Taliban. And it's shown that the amount of land under government control has dropped over time, from 72% of districts in Nov. 2015 to 54% of districts in Oct. 2018.

 

Dlje kot so Američani v Afganistanu, bolj raste podpora talibanom, ker jih prebivalstvo smatra za okupatorje, zato velja ravno obratno: posiljevanje otrok, pobijanje žensk obtoženih bogoskrunstva, nižje cene južnoameriškega kokaina in moč teokracije se bodo še stopnjevali, dokler bo koalicija v Afganistanu.

 

 

Med letoma 2015 in 2018 se je število ameriških in tujih vojakov v Afganistanu vztrajno zmanjševalo.

 

Še en dokaz, da kotališ buče in samo kotališ buče. Brez da prebereš, brez da razmisliš in razumeš.

 

Pred 2015 je iz Afganistana prihajalo bistveno manj beguncev, ker je bila tam koalicija in vojska je lahko vzdrževala mir.

 

 

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Na zgornje grafe ti lahko odgovorim s tem, da sam sumim, da ima ameriška prisotnost v Afganistanu lastnosti Lagged Independent Variable in da se percepcija ljudi ne prilagaja hipoma na dogajanje v svetu, ampak z zamikom...

 

... pa smo spet tam. Ker imava popolnoma drugačna izhodišča, prihajava do diametralno nasprotnih zaključkov. Morda pa ubereva drugo metodo - raje kot da ugibava, kaj se dogaja v glavah Afganistancev, poglejva, kaj pravijo Afganistanci sami o razmerah v njihovi državi. 

 

 
Question 7: What do you like the most about the Taliban?
  • Economic opportunities they provide (3.11%)

  • The discipline they bring (9.51%)

  • The social justic they bring (18.63%)

  • The security they provide (19.68%)

  • None of the above (49.07%)

Question 10: Who do you trust the most in your area?
  • Taliban (7.87%)

  • Local strongman (2.33%)

  • National Government (70.45%)

  • Foreign Troops (1.06%)

  • No one (18.29%)

Question 15: How do you feel about the departure of US troops from Afghanistan?
  • Happy (38.3%)

  • Worried (35.22%)

  • Doesn't matter (26.49%)

Question 16: Should the US and NATO forces remain in Afghanistan after a peace deal?
  • Yes (42.89%)

  • No (35.53%)

  • Does not matter (21.57%)

Question 22: What do you think drives people to violence in Afghanistan?
  • Religion (3.33%)

  • Ethnicity (8.4%)

  • Injustice (27.23%)

  • Insecurity (29.9%)

  • Poverty (31.14%)

Question 28: To what extent, would you support the reintegration of Taliban combatants to your community?
  • Very much (38.88%)

  • much (30.75%)

  • little (12.93%)

  • Very little (17.43%)

Question 35: What are the main challenges for the reintegration of the Taliban combatants within your community?
  • Redreessal of grievances (9.52%)

  • Socail stigma (18.63%)

  • Tribal feud (18.75%)

  • Personal enmity (19.48%)

  • Religious radicalism (33.62%)

 

Na podlagi zgornjih odgovorov je jasno samo eno: situacija je zelo zapletena in nima enostavnih rešitev. Afganistanci najbolj zaupajo vladi, manj talibanom, še najmanj pa tujim enotam. Več ljudi se veseli odhoda Američanov, kot jih to skrbi. Kot glavna razloga za konflikte navajajo revščino in negotovost, na srečo pa je večina Afganistancev miroljubnih in se zavzema za spravo.


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Končno sva na istem bregu. Situacija v Afganistanu je zelo zapletena, se absolutno strinjam in me veseli, da si poguglal tole anketo.

 

Za revščino in bedo je seveda kriva vojna sama po sebi in želijo si, da se nasilje s serijskimi samomorilskimi napadi konča. Katera podjetja in vlagatelji bodo sploh resno jemali državo, kjer je prisotna trigger-happy NATO mašinerija in polovico nje nadzirajo verski psihopati. PMCji kot sta Academi (bivši Blackwater) in Wagner mogoče. Število enot se je zmanjševalo tudi v dobri veri, da bodo droni bolj varno in natančno opravili svoj posel z manjšim številom krst z ameriško zastavo čez in manjšim številom kolateralnih žrtev, a glede slednjega se je pokazalo ravno nasprotno, saj se je predvsem povečalo število otrok, ki so jih ubile Natove rakete in bombe. Talibanski warlordi so se s širšim ozemljem in večjim številom vojakov tudi postavili v bolj gosto naseljena področja.

 

Glede na zadnje novice kaže (ne vem če slediš, a baje diplomacija napreduje), da bi znalo kaj dobrega izpasti iz tega, a v primeru 4 more years of Trump in da med vlado in talibani v naslednjih 5 letih zopet poči, vedi, da bo umazan posel opravljal PMC. In ta PMC ne bo nikoli na mednarodnem sodišču za vojne zločine, ne glede na karkoli, še posebej ruski. 100 mrtvih otrok, 1000 mrtvih otrok, 10000 mrtvih otrok. Ne bo pomembno.

 

V nekem drugem scenariju, bi bilo pomembno ...

 

https://en.wikipedia...ndahar_massacre

The Kandahar massacre, more precisely identified as the Panjwai massacre,[1] occurred in the early hours of 11 March 2012, when United States Army Staff Sergeant Robert Bales murdered sixteen civilians and wounded six others in the Panjwayi District of Kandahar Province, Afghanistan. Nine of his victims were children, and eleven of the dead were from the same family. Some of the corpses were partially burned. Bales was taken into custody later that morning when he told authorities, "I did it". On 23 August 2013, a jury at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Fort Lewis, Washington sentenced him to life in prison without parole.[2]
 
The U.S. and International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) authorities apologized for the deaths. Afghan authorities condemned the act, describing it as "intentional murder". The National Assembly of Afghanistan passed a resolution demanding a public trial in Afghanistan, but then-U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said the soldier would be tried under U.S. military law. Bales pleaded guilty on 5 June 2013 to 16 counts of premeditated murder in exchange for the prosecution not seeking the death penalty. At the time of the plea, he stated that he did not know why he committed the murders.
 
United States authorities concluded that the killings were the act of a single individual. On 15 March 2012, an Afghan parliamentary probe team made up of several members of the National Assembly of Afghanistan had speculated that up to 20 U.S. soldiers were involved in the killings. The team later said they could not confirm claims that multiple soldiers took part in the killings.

 

 

 

Več ljudi se veseli odhoda Američanov, kot jih to skrbi

 

Daj nehaj cepidlačit.

 

 

Question 15: How do you feel about the departure of US troops from Afghanistan?
  • Happy (38.3%)

  • Worried (35.22%)

  • Doesn't matter (26.49%)

Question 16: Should the US and NATO forces remain in Afghanistan after a peace deal?
  • Yes (42.89%)

  • No (35.53%)

  • Does not matter (21.57%)

 


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Tudi mene veseli, da sva pri kar nekaj stvareh končno prišla skupaj.

 

Glede prisotnosti Američanov pa se mi 43% podpora ne zdi velika. Ali naj neko ljudstvo sprejme tujce, še posebej vojake, se mi zdi tako pomembno vprašanje, da bi terjalo plebiscitarno večino. Če bi se nekaj podobnega spraševalo Slovence, npr. o sprejemanju migrantov, bi rekel, da 43% ni dovolj, da odpremo meje. A se ne o enem ne o drugem ljudi ne sprašuje...


Only a few prefer liberty; the majority seek nothing more than fair masters.


#292 apolon

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Objavljeno 19 september 2020 - 14:49

V ponedeljek, 14. septembra, ob 22:30 na programu SLO2 sem gledal francoski dokumentarec Afganistan 1979 - vojna, ki je spremenila svet.

 

Da bi razumeli zapleteno situacijo v Afganistanu, je treba poznati celotno dogajanje na ozemlju Afganistana od začetka afganistanske krize dalje. Video


Človek ne more preživeti brez narave, narava lahko preživi brez ljudi.


#293 sadhu_sequencer

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Objavljeno 20 september 2020 - 12:31

Ključni razlog za to kontinuiteto trpljenja v Afganistanu od 1979 dalje je naša zahodnjaška ignoranca, ki se kaže tako v "pacifistično" nebrzdanem in zaslepljenem obsojanju koalicije, kakor tudi v pišmeuhovskem vodenju samih vojaških operacij v Afganistanu, kjer se zdi da vojaki niso orodje za iztrebljenje teroristov, ampak orodje politike. Če je dron zveze NATO ubil otroka, potem se bo njeni družini težko narisalo in razložilo zakaj je dobro, da koalicija ostane. In enako se bo tudi otrokom, ki so jim Talibani pobili vso družino dopovedalo, da ameriški vojaki morajo zapustiti njihovo vas, ker se v ZDA menja politika, ki bo sedaj bolj "miroljubna". Eden izmed teh otrok je sedaj najbrž v Veliki Kladuši.

 

Charlie Wilson's War vsebuje zelo dobro sporočilo kaj je narobe z našim zahodnjaškim dojemanjem Afganistana in zakaj Afganistan trpi zaradi tega.

 

 

Določene stvari je potrebno vzeti z rezervo, vendar konec filma ima zelo smiselno sporočilo.

 

Historical accuracy
Mujahideen support
While the film depicts Wilson as an immediate advocate for supplying the mujahideen with Stinger missiles, a former Reagan administration official recalls that he and Wilson, while advocates for the mujahideen, were actually initially "lukewarm" on the idea of supplying these missiles. Their opinion changed when they discovered that rebels were successful in downing Soviet gunships with them.[6] As such, they were actually not supplied until the second Reagan administration term, in 1987, and their provision was advocated mostly by Reagan defense officials and influential conservatives.[10][11][12]
 
Happy ending
The film's partial happy ending where Wilson is awarded came about because Tom Hanks did not feel comfortable with an original draft which ended on a scene featuring the September 11 attacks according to Melissa Roddy, a Los Angeles film maker with inside information from the production.[13] Citing the original screenplay, which was very different from the final product, in Reel Power: Hollywood Cinema and American Supremacy Matthew Alford wrote that the film gave up "the chance to produce what at least had the potential to be the Dr. Strangelove of our generation".[14]
 
Other
In his 2011 book Afgantsy, former British ambassador to Russia Rodric Braithwaite describes the film as "amusing but has only an intermittent connection with historical reality."[15]

 

 

 


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#294 sense_sensibility

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Objavljeno 14 december 2020 - 23:28

Vojaki so VEDNO orodje politike, ko ta izčrpa prave ali lažne verbalne argumente za svoja stališča.
The mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work unless it’s open.

#295 sadhu_sequencer

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Objavljeno 10 januar 2021 - 16:32

In stališče Trumpa je, da je vojna proti talibanom v Afganistanu nepotrebna. Katero kolateralno škodo boš izbrala? Dečka, ki mu bodo talibani okupirali vas ter ga ubili ali deklico, ki jo bo ubil ameriški dron? Prvo so pogajanja s talibani (opcija Trump), drugo vojna proti talibanom (opcija anti-Trump). Jaz verjamem, da morajo obstajati alternativne rešitve.






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